How so?
By his petition.
There really is no any sane logic behind denying candidates a shot at ‘fresh elections’ just because they never filed a petition or they conceded.
So the High Court is likely to direct IEBC to include Aukot which makes three candidates. With that, it don’t matter if the Amendments sail through or are thrown out by the courts, Baba’s magical card of ‘abandoning’ will be no more so we will have elections on 26th contrary to NASWA (Magaya (http://www.nipate.org/index.php?topic=5908.0)) fantasies.
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Can’t wait for ‘Aukot is a Jubilidiot mole’ conspiracy theories
How so?
By his petition.
There really is no any sane logic behind denying candidates a shot at ‘fresh elections’ just because they never filed a petition or they conceded.
So the High Court is likely to direct IEBC to include Aukot which makes three candidates. With that, it don’t matter if the Amendments sail through or are thrown out by the courts, Baba’s magical card of ‘abandoning’ will be no more so we will have elections on 26th contrary to NASWA (Magaya (http://www.nipate.org/index.php?topic=5908.0)) fantasies.
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Can’t wait for ‘Aukot is a Jubilidiot mole’ conspiracy theories
How so? How will Aukots candidacy cause voters in NASA strongholds to vote? No elections means No National elections. There maybe elections in some parts of the country but that does not constitute national elections for electing a president?.How so?
By his petition.
There really is no any sane logic behind denying candidates a shot at ‘fresh elections’ just because they never filed a petition or they conceded.
So the High Court is likely to direct IEBC to include Aukot which makes three candidates. With that, it don’t matter if the Amendments sail through or are thrown out by the courts, Baba’s magical card of ‘abandoning’ will be no more so we will have elections on 26th contrary to NASWA (Magaya (http://www.nipate.org/index.php?topic=5908.0)) fantasies.
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Can’t wait for ‘Aukot is a Jubilidiot mole’ conspiracy theories
I think jubilee will make sure they have enough security officers in every odm polling station to make sure a handful of people vote thus overcoming the constitutional clause that makes the election invalid.How so? How will Aukots candidacy cause voters in NASA strongholds to vote? No elections means No National elections. There maybe elections in some parts of the country but that does not constitute national elections for electing a president?.How so?
By his petition.
There really is no any sane logic behind denying candidates a shot at ‘fresh elections’ just because they never filed a petition or they conceded.
So the High Court is likely to direct IEBC to include Aukot which makes three candidates. With that, it don’t matter if the Amendments sail through or are thrown out by the courts, Baba’s magical card of ‘abandoning’ will be no more so we will have elections on 26th contrary to NASWA (Magaya (http://www.nipate.org/index.php?topic=5908.0)) fantasies.
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Can’t wait for ‘Aukot is a Jubilidiot mole’ conspiracy theories
You have to be smoking something very bad. They cannot even handle demonstrations in major centers like Kisumu, Homa-Bay and Siaya. Now tell me where they are going to get security police into all polling stations in western, Nyanza, coast, and ukambani, just to mention a few.? HOW?You are high on weed if you hallucinate disrupting elecionsI think jubilee will make sure they have enough security officers in every odm polling station to make sure a handful of people vote thus overcoming the constitutional clause that makes the election invalid.How so? How will Aukots candidacy cause voters in NASA strongholds to vote? No elections means No National elections. There maybe elections in some parts of the country but that does not constitute national elections for electing a president?.How so?
By his petition.
There really is no any sane logic behind denying candidates a shot at ‘fresh elections’ just because they never filed a petition or they conceded.
So the High Court is likely to direct IEBC to include Aukot which makes three candidates. With that, it don’t matter if the Amendments sail through or are thrown out by the courts, Baba’s magical card of ‘abandoning’ will be no more so we will have elections on 26th contrary to NASWA (Magaya (http://www.nipate.org/index.php?topic=5908.0)) fantasies.
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Can’t wait for ‘Aukot is a Jubilidiot mole’ conspiracy theories
Tough luck if you think disrupting elections will invalidate elections where Uhuru goes to score 99 percent
Kichwa-mmeza.
The ruling party had enough machinery to ensure the election takes place in hostile regions. The best thing that Raila could done is to use the momentum of election nullification to campaign very hard. I can tell you for free that jubilee has covered alot of ground since August 8th. Odm in Narok county and kajiado has literally crumbled and is significantly losing key supporters in their own strongholds. Jubilee has bought everybody. Destruction of property by odm goons during demostrations have not helped matters.You are high on weed to think that nasa still has a chance. Raila and his group are acutely aware that victory has slipped through their fingers and this the idea to boycott the election so they have a reason to claim that they were not defeated.
Kichwa-mmeza.
The ruling party had enough machinery to ensure the election takes place in hostile regions. The best thing that Raila could done is to use the momentum of election nullification to campaign very hard. I can tell you for free that jubilee has covered alot of ground since August 8th. Odm in Narok county and kajiado has literally crumbled and is significantly losing key supporters in their own strongholds. Jubilee has bought everybody. Destruction of property by odm goons during demostrations have not helped matters.You are high on weed to think that nasa still has a chance. Raila and his group are acutely aware that victory has slipped through their fingers and this the idea to boycott the election so they have a reason to claim that they were not defeated.
Democracy does not work that way pundit. You cannot rule people by force "peaceful" and still have a robust economy. Democracy can only happen by consent. Nobody is saying that Ouru will not be sworn in by force like Kibaki was but it is not going to be 2013 again. Sometimes in the future Kenya will either have a free and fair elections agreed upon by everyone or we can start talks about secession. That kifua attitude will not work.
Kichwa-mmeza.
The ruling party had enough machinery to ensure the election takes place in hostile regions. The best thing that Raila could done is to use the momentum of election nullification to campaign very hard. I can tell you for free that jubilee has covered alot of ground since August 8th. Odm in Narok county and kajiado has literally crumbled and is significantly losing key supporters in their own strongholds. Jubilee has bought everybody. Destruction of property by odm goons during demostrations have not helped matters.You are high on weed to think that nasa still has a chance. Raila and his group are acutely aware that victory has slipped through their fingers and this the idea to boycott the election so they have a reason to claim that they were not defeated.
As long as the discontent is limited to few places - like Luo Nyanza - then GOK will function like it has done since 1966. That is why UhuRuto are busy working on bringing everyone on board. The few elements that want to stay militant and obstinate will remain on the periphery of kenya politics. So far if you see the demos - it seem only Kisumu and few such places are buying the bait.
Once again you guys [luo intelligensia] instead of cutting your losses and living to fight another day - you're driving yourself to the periphery - further isolating your people from Kenyan nations. Look Kalenjin lost 1963 elections as KANU won - it's leaders warmed it's way back to power. They would stay in power until 2002. Again less than 10 yrs it's leader worked it;s way back to power and now to the main stage of national politics.
You play smart politics - or you can fight and fight - waiting for perfect democracy - which will not happen.
Jubilee has parliament & senate with near super-majority - it gonna work to own the judiciary - it already own the media - and after that tell me which part of "democracy" you guys will use?Democracy does not work that way pundit. You cannot rule people by force "peaceful" and still have a robust economy. Democracy can only happen by consent. Nobody is saying that Ouru will not be sworn in by force like Kibaki was but it is not going to be 2013 again. Sometimes in the future Kenya will either have a free and fair elections agreed upon by everyone or we can start talks about secession. That kifua attitude will not work.
Kichwa-mmeza.
The ruling party had enough machinery to ensure the election takes place in hostile regions. The best thing that Raila could done is to use the momentum of election nullification to campaign very hard. I can tell you for free that jubilee has covered alot of ground since August 8th. Odm in Narok county and kajiado has literally crumbled and is significantly losing key supporters in their own strongholds. Jubilee has bought everybody. Destruction of property by odm goons during demostrations have not helped matters.You are high on weed to think that nasa still has a chance. Raila and his group are acutely aware that victory has slipped through their fingers and this the idea to boycott the election so they have a reason to claim that they were not defeated.
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Babu ain't sure the exact implication of his abandonment is.
Should Aukot get his way, Babu will jet back in the next few hours
BRYAN75,Kichwa-mmeza.
The ruling party had enough machinery to ensure the election takes place in hostile regions. The best thing that Raila could done is to use the momentum of election nullification to campaign very hard. I can tell you for free that jubilee has covered alot of ground since August 8th. Odm in Narok county and kajiado has literally crumbled and is significantly losing key supporters in their own strongholds. Jubilee has bought everybody. Destruction of property by odm goons during demostrations have not helped matters.You are high on weed to think that nasa still has a chance. Raila and his group are acutely aware that victory has slipped through their fingers and this the idea to boycott the election so they have a reason to claim that they were not defeated.
I would like to believe you, but having been to mashinani and also through monitoring the overwhelming negative response to Jubilee's tweets, I tend to disagree. And if Narok has crumbled under jubilee corruption, then it is fair to assume that Narok was not made for the fight for freedom that we face for lack of mettle. They are flakes...and probably deserve the corruption that they will endure especially once Ruto gets his hands on the Mara.
With Babu out of sight, the mass action are still born
Its jubilee who are not sure of what is going down. They are all over the place trying to figure out what NASA will do next and scrambling with all kinds of solutions to a problem they have not yet figured out. NASA has several options while Jubilee can only bank on rigged elections. You take away the rigged or the elections from them and they do not know what to do.Invalid Tweet ID
Babu ain't sure the exact implication of his abandonment is.
Should Aukot get his way, Babu will jet back in the next few hours
Difference between Ole and Kadam at measuring political temperatures among their kith and kin is Ole is on the ground and Kadam is not.BRYAN75,Kichwa-mmeza.
The ruling party had enough machinery to ensure the election takes place in hostile regions. The best thing that Raila could done is to use the momentum of election nullification to campaign very hard. I can tell you for free that jubilee has covered alot of ground since August 8th. Odm in Narok county and kajiado has literally crumbled and is significantly losing key supporters in their own strongholds. Jubilee has bought everybody. Destruction of property by odm goons during demostrations have not helped matters.You are high on weed to think that nasa still has a chance. Raila and his group are acutely aware that victory has slipped through their fingers and this the idea to boycott the election so they have a reason to claim that they were not defeated.
I would like to believe you, but having been to mashinani and also through monitoring the overwhelming negative response to Jubilee's tweets, I tend to disagree. And if Narok has crumbled under jubilee corruption, then it is fair to assume that Narok was not made for the fight for freedom that we face for lack of mettle. They are flakes...and probably deserve the corruption that they will endure especially once Ruto gets his hands on the Mara.
Doesn't matter what ruto will or will not do. He already had a grip of the mara through the governor but you have to know that people a lot of time vote against tg heir self interest. The truth of the matterm is that all odm leaders in Narok have defected to JP. Former governor nkedienye a beloved odm member is defecting tomorrow. I have been in mashinani from the last campaigns upto now and I can tell you for free that the tide is drastically changing against nasa. Tribal and money numbers are hard to beat. Let's wait and see.
Difference between Ole and Kadam at measuring political temperatures among their kith and kin is Ole is on the ground and Kadam is not.BRYAN75,Kichwa-mmeza.
The ruling party had enough machinery to ensure the election takes place in hostile regions. The best thing that Raila could done is to use the momentum of election nullification to campaign very hard. I can tell you for free that jubilee has covered alot of ground since August 8th. Odm in Narok county and kajiado has literally crumbled and is significantly losing key supporters in their own strongholds. Jubilee has bought everybody. Destruction of property by odm goons during demostrations have not helped matters.You are high on weed to think that nasa still has a chance. Raila and his group are acutely aware that victory has slipped through their fingers and this the idea to boycott the election so they have a reason to claim that they were not defeated.
I would like to believe you, but having been to mashinani and also through monitoring the overwhelming negative response to Jubilee's tweets, I tend to disagree. And if Narok has crumbled under jubilee corruption, then it is fair to assume that Narok was not made for the fight for freedom that we face for lack of mettle. They are flakes...and probably deserve the corruption that they will endure especially once Ruto gets his hands on the Mara.
Doesn't matter what ruto will or will not do. He already had a grip of the mara through the governor but you have to know that people a lot of time vote against tg heir self interest. The truth of the matterm is that all odm leaders in Narok have defected to JP. Former governor nkedienye a beloved odm member is defecting tomorrow. I have been in mashinani from the last campaigns upto now and I can tell you for free that the tide is drastically changing against nasa. Tribal and money numbers are hard to beat. Let's wait and see.
If Ole says tide is shifting, then it shifted long before he said so.
vooke,
I am being very objective here. I really don't have a horse in this race even though I was initially sympathetic to Baba. People feel like baba has lost significant goodwill support by constantly complaining and castigated anyone one site. Alot of people feel like alot of their valuable time is being lost by constant grandstanding. Raila cannot consolidate his own areas and is busy losing battleground counties. He should have hit the ground running right away and blame his opponents for botched election. But I do think he does not have money to run an efficient campaign. His innitial attempt at fundraising was not properly done. I really think he would boycott then claim that he won on August 8th. Jubilee on the other hand will not take any chance this time. They will claim victory even if baba sits this one out. I know it's not pleasant for many baba avid supporters but his quest for statehouse is coming to a complete end.
vooke,
I am being very objective here. I really don't have a horse in this race even though I was initially sympathetic to Baba. People feel like baba has lost significant goodwill support by constantly complaining and castigated anyone one site. Alot of people feel like alot of their valuable time is being lost by constant grandstanding. Raila cannot consolidate his own areas and is busy losing battleground counties. He should have hit the ground running right away and blame his opponents for botched election. But I do think he does not have money to run an efficient campaign. His innitial attempt at fundraising was not properly done. I really think he would boycott then claim that he won on August 8th. Jubilee on the other hand will not take any chance this time. They will claim victory even if baba sits this one out. I know it's not pleasant for many baba avid supporters but his quest for statehouse is coming to a complete end.
vooke,Babu’s realistic shot at stopping Elections was abandoning the race which would get us back to zero with nominations,which MUST be had at least 90 days to the election. But if Aukot is included, then abandoning means we still have a two-candidate race,and if Aukot abandons as well, Uhunye is declared winner of the contest.
I don’t see how Aukot’s inclusion changes anything. Just from a cursory glance at that 2013 SCOK opinion.
I was sympathetic to Baba too but believe NASA lost on the 8th. I held on and found theirs was technicality. Raila is basically being undemocratic, but you have to realize without a path to victory sitting it out is sounder strategy. He will pull a Tsivangirai and let history be the judge.vooke,
I am being very objective here. I really don't have a horse in this race even though I was initially sympathetic to Baba. People feel like baba has lost significant goodwill support by constantly complaining and castigated anyone one site. Alot of people feel like alot of their valuable time is being lost by constant grandstanding. Raila cannot consolidate his own areas and is busy losing battleground counties. He should have hit the ground running right away and blame his opponents for botched election. But I do think he does not have money to run an efficient campaign. His innitial attempt at fundraising was not properly done. I really think he would boycott then claim that he won on August 8th. Jubilee on the other hand will not take any chance this time. They will claim victory even if baba sits this one out. I know it's not pleasant for many baba avid supporters but his quest for statehouse is coming to a complete end.
vooke,Babu’s realistic shot at stopping Elections was abandoning the race which would get us back to zero with nominations,which MUST be had at least 90 days to the election. But if Aukot is included, then abandoning means we still have a two-candidate race,and if Aukot abandons as well, Uhunye is declared winner of the contest.
I don’t see how Aukot’s inclusion changes anything. Just from a cursory glance at that 2013 SCOK opinion.
I know the amendments attempt to deal with this 2013 advisory by declaring the remaining candidate winner in case of abandonment but I think Babu can still beat it by abandoning before the Bill is assented as I’m not sure the amendments can be applied retroactively. So amendments are not a watertight cure for the abandonment panya route
But if the advisory was on a constitutional question, can they cure it with a statute?
Yeap - the purpose of legislation is to fill constitutional voids & give meaning to it. These judges are cropping in the dark because there is nothing on consitution that define how re-run will be dealt. The constitution leaves the details to election laws to be enacted.
Something would only be unconstitutional if the constitution says do this. If it doesn't - and there is no legislation - then we go by judges interpretation.But if the advisory was on a constitutional question, can they cure it with a statute?
vooke,Babu’s realistic shot at stopping Elections was abandoning the race which would get us back to zero with nominations,which MUST be had at least 90 days to the election. But if Aukot is included, then abandoning means we still have a two-candidate race,and if Aukot abandons as well, Uhunye is declared winner of the contest.
I don’t see how Aukot’s inclusion changes anything. Just from a cursory glance at that 2013 SCOK opinion.
I know the amendments attempt to deal with this 2013 advisory by declaring the remaining candidate winner in case of abandonment but I think Babu can still beat it by abandoning before the Bill is assented as I’m not sure the amendments can be applied retroactively. So amendments are not a watertight cure for the abandonment panya route
But if the advisory was on a constitutional question, can they cure it with a statute?
I think there is enabling law and that is what you have in mind. The laws enable what the constitution directs. Then there is a situation where the constitution is silent. Can enabling law be made in a such situation? Especially one that contradicts an interpretation of that silence that has been given by the court?
I think there is enabling law and that is what you have in mind. The laws enable what the constitution directs. Then there is a situation where the constitution is silent. Can enabling law be made in a such situation? Especially one that contradicts an interpretation of that silence that has been given by the court?Methinks if the interpretation is well thought out,and grounded in some constitutional principles, then the law contradicting it would obviously be declared unconstitutional.
vooke,Babu’s realistic shot at stopping Elections was abandoning the race which would get us back to zero with nominations,which MUST be had at least 90 days to the election. But if Aukot is included, then abandoning means we still have a two-candidate race,and if Aukot abandons as well, Uhunye is declared winner of the contest.
I don’t see how Aukot’s inclusion changes anything. Just from a cursory glance at that 2013 SCOK opinion.
I know the amendments attempt to deal with this 2013 advisory by declaring the remaining candidate winner in case of abandonment but I think Babu can still beat it by abandoning before the Bill is assented as I’m not sure the amendments can be applied retroactively. So amendments are not a watertight cure for the abandonment panya route
you allow Aukot to run then you are back to Fresh Election Quagmire which require nominations and all that which the chairman Chebukati decidedHow’s that?
to ignore...then what????? the sooner we accept the country is in a constitutional crisis the better. People should be busy setting up a caretaker government.
Judges don't make law - it parliament who makes them. Only something is unconstitutional if the constitution says so are parliament forbidden from doing that. Where it is silent - then it's job of legislation to giving meaning to that silences.I think there is enabling law and that is what you have in mind. The laws enable what the constitution directs. Then there is a situation where the constitution is silent. Can enabling law be made in a such situation? Especially one that contradicts an interpretation of that silence that has been given by the court?
Judges make law all the time. Its called case law.Judges don't make law - it parliament who makes them. Only something is unconstitutional if the constitution says so are parliament forbidden from doing that. Where it is silent - then it's job of legislation to giving meaning to that silences.I think there is enabling law and that is what you have in mind. The laws enable what the constitution directs. Then there is a situation where the constitution is silent. Can enabling law be made in a such situation? Especially one that contradicts an interpretation of that silence that has been given by the court?
Mativo
It’s an obiter
I think Baba is in trouble
Yeap - which is funny - because he supported Aukot - inclusion. He declares all those who been nominated - can be included.I think Baba is in trouble
The gamble won’t pay off.
If one paragraph of the obiter is not binding,so does the other.
I think withdrawal regulations are solid
Trust NASWA to rush to court of appeal :lolz: :lolz: :lolz:
Appeal what - Raila SUPPORTED AUKOT inclusion and termed the orbiter dicta wrong. Yesterday he went and fished the same obiter dicta - and tried to use to get more time - to figure out a nusu mkate panya route.The gamble won’t pay off.
If one paragraph of the obiter is not binding,so does the other.
I think withdrawal regulations are solid
Trust NASWA to rush to court of appeal :lolz: :lolz: :lolz:
They will appeal Mativo’s finding that the Obiter is no binding and whether it was really an obiter or ratio. I damn well know they are highly unlikely to miss
How so?
By his petition.
There really is no any sane logic behind denying candidates a shot at ‘fresh elections’ just because they never filed a petition or they conceded.
So the High Court is likely to direct IEBC to include Aukot which makes three candidates. With that, it don’t matter if the Amendments sail through or are thrown out by the courts, Baba’s magical card of ‘abandoning’ will be no more so we will have elections on 26th contrary to NASWA (Magaya (http://www.nipate.org/index.php?topic=5908.0)) fantasies.
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Can’t wait for ‘Aukot is a Jubilidiot mole’ conspiracy theories
The plot thickens. I foresee Aokot abandoning this JEBC charade. Says he has a set of concerns that he will be pursuing.
Uhuru Kenyata needs to pack his sh*t and leave our statehouse.
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Can’t wait for ‘Aukot is a Jubilidiot mole’ conspiracy theories
My friend @EAukot has allowed himself to be @UKenyatta's chaperone in a fake CORONATION RITUAL! #OppositionDemos #NoReformsNoElections
— Dr. Miguna Miguna (@MigunaMiguna) October 14, 2017
The plot thickens. I foresee Aokot abandoning this JEBC charade. Says he has a set of concerns that he will be pursuing.
Uhuru Kenyata needs to pack his sh*t and leave our statehouse.