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Title: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: vooke on October 07, 2017, 08:07:06 PM
How so?
By his petition.

There really is no any sane logic behind denying candidates a shot at ‘fresh elections’ just because they never filed a petition or they conceded.

So the High Court is likely to direct IEBC to include Aukot which makes three candidates. With that, it don’t matter if the Amendments sail through or are thrown out by the courts, Baba’s magical card of ‘abandoning’ will be no more so we will have elections on 26th contrary to NASWA (Magaya (http://www.nipate.org/index.php?topic=5908.0)) fantasies.



PS
Can’t wait for ‘Aukot is a Jubilidiot mole’ conspiracy theories
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: Kichwa on October 07, 2017, 08:33:59 PM
How so? How will Aukots candidacy cause voters in NASA strongholds to vote? No elections means No National elections.  There maybe elections in some parts of the country but that does not constitute national elections for electing a president?.

How so?
By his petition.

There really is no any sane logic behind denying candidates a shot at ‘fresh elections’ just because they never filed a petition or they conceded.

So the High Court is likely to direct IEBC to include Aukot which makes three candidates. With that, it don’t matter if the Amendments sail through or are thrown out by the courts, Baba’s magical card of ‘abandoning’ will be no more so we will have elections on 26th contrary to NASWA (Magaya (http://www.nipate.org/index.php?topic=5908.0)) fantasies.



PS
Can’t wait for ‘Aukot is a Jubilidiot mole’ conspiracy theories
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: Omollo on October 07, 2017, 09:01:31 PM
Would Only guarantee no elections on the 26th

How so?
By his petition.

There really is no any sane logic behind denying candidates a shot at ‘fresh elections’ just because they never filed a petition or they conceded.

So the High Court is likely to direct IEBC to include Aukot which makes three candidates. With that, it don’t matter if the Amendments sail through or are thrown out by the courts, Baba’s magical card of ‘abandoning’ will be no more so we will have elections on 26th contrary to NASWA (Magaya (http://www.nipate.org/index.php?topic=5908.0)) fantasies.



PS
Can’t wait for ‘Aukot is a Jubilidiot mole’ conspiracy theories
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: Ole on October 07, 2017, 09:07:38 PM
I think jubilee will make sure they have enough security officers in every odm polling station to make sure a handful of people vote thus overcoming the constitutional clause that makes the election invalid.
How so? How will Aukots candidacy cause voters in NASA strongholds to vote? No elections means No National elections.  There maybe elections in some parts of the country but that does not constitute national elections for electing a president?.

How so?
By his petition.

There really is no any sane logic behind denying candidates a shot at ‘fresh elections’ just because they never filed a petition or they conceded.

So the High Court is likely to direct IEBC to include Aukot which makes three candidates. With that, it don’t matter if the Amendments sail through or are thrown out by the courts, Baba’s magical card of ‘abandoning’ will be no more so we will have elections on 26th contrary to NASWA (Magaya (http://www.nipate.org/index.php?topic=5908.0)) fantasies.



PS
Can’t wait for ‘Aukot is a Jubilidiot mole’ conspiracy theories
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: Kichwa on October 07, 2017, 09:38:47 PM
You have to be smoking something very bad.  They cannot even handle demonstrations in major centers like Kisumu, Homa-Bay and Siaya.  Now tell me where they are going to get security police into all polling stations in western, Nyanza, coast, and ukambani, just to mention a few.?  HOW?

I think jubilee will make sure they have enough security officers in every odm polling station to make sure a handful of people vote thus overcoming the constitutional clause that makes the election invalid.
How so? How will Aukots candidacy cause voters in NASA strongholds to vote? No elections means No National elections.  There maybe elections in some parts of the country but that does not constitute national elections for electing a president?.

How so?
By his petition.

There really is no any sane logic behind denying candidates a shot at ‘fresh elections’ just because they never filed a petition or they conceded.

So the High Court is likely to direct IEBC to include Aukot which makes three candidates. With that, it don’t matter if the Amendments sail through or are thrown out by the courts, Baba’s magical card of ‘abandoning’ will be no more so we will have elections on 26th contrary to NASWA (Magaya (http://www.nipate.org/index.php?topic=5908.0)) fantasies.



PS
Can’t wait for ‘Aukot is a Jubilidiot mole’ conspiracy theories
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: patel on October 07, 2017, 09:54:29 PM
Final gasp of jubilee regime, no one seems to know what jubilee end game is but the end is fast approaching.  We will eventually get to reset National values and moral compass. Viva Kenya
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: vooke on October 08, 2017, 05:10:24 AM
You have to be smoking something very bad.  They cannot even handle demonstrations in major centers like Kisumu, Homa-Bay and Siaya.  Now tell me where they are going to get security police into all polling stations in western, Nyanza, coast, and ukambani, just to mention a few.?  HOW?

I think jubilee will make sure they have enough security officers in every odm polling station to make sure a handful of people vote thus overcoming the constitutional clause that makes the election invalid.
How so? How will Aukots candidacy cause voters in NASA strongholds to vote? No elections means No National elections.  There maybe elections in some parts of the country but that does not constitute national elections for electing a president?.

How so?
By his petition.

There really is no any sane logic behind denying candidates a shot at ‘fresh elections’ just because they never filed a petition or they conceded.

So the High Court is likely to direct IEBC to include Aukot which makes three candidates. With that, it don’t matter if the Amendments sail through or are thrown out by the courts, Baba’s magical card of ‘abandoning’ will be no more so we will have elections on 26th contrary to NASWA (Magaya (http://www.nipate.org/index.php?topic=5908.0)) fantasies.



PS
Can’t wait for ‘Aukot is a Jubilidiot mole’ conspiracy theories
You are high on weed if you hallucinate disrupting elecions
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: RV Pundit on October 08, 2017, 07:32:29 AM
Tough luck if you think disrupting elections will invalidate elections where Uhuru goes to score 99 percent
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: Ole on October 08, 2017, 08:15:20 PM
Kichwa-mmeza.
The ruling party had enough machinery to ensure the election takes place in hostile regions. The best thing that Raila could done is to use the momentum of election nullification to campaign very hard. I can tell you for free that jubilee has covered alot of ground since August 8th. Odm in Narok county and kajiado has literally crumbled and is significantly losing key supporters in their own strongholds. Jubilee has bought everybody. Destruction of property by odm goons during demostrations have not helped matters.You are high on weed to think that nasa still has a chance. Raila and his group are acutely aware that victory has slipped through their fingers and this the idea to boycott the election so they have a reason to claim that they were not defeated. 
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: Kichwa on October 08, 2017, 08:46:08 PM

Democracy does not work that way pundit. You cannot rule people by force "peaceful" and still have a robust economy.  Democracy can only happen by consent.  Nobody is saying that Ouru will not be sworn in by force like Kibaki was but it is not going to be 2013 again. Sometimes in the future Kenya will either have a free and fair elections agreed upon by everyone or we can start talks about secession.  That kifua attitude will not work.


Tough luck if you think disrupting elections will invalidate elections where Uhuru goes to score 99 percent
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: Kichwa on October 08, 2017, 08:53:54 PM

Ole. We are not blind.  NASA  is NOT competing with Jubilee's ability to buy, coerce and intimidate Kenyans inorder to acquire a fake  majority.  However, a majority acquired by such under handed methods is not a majority as envisioned by the concepts of democracy.  We do not therefore recognize such a "majority".

Kichwa-mmeza.
The ruling party had enough machinery to ensure the election takes place in hostile regions. The best thing that Raila could done is to use the momentum of election nullification to campaign very hard. I can tell you for free that jubilee has covered alot of ground since August 8th. Odm in Narok county and kajiado has literally crumbled and is significantly losing key supporters in their own strongholds. Jubilee has bought everybody. Destruction of property by odm goons during demostrations have not helped matters.You are high on weed to think that nasa still has a chance. Raila and his group are acutely aware that victory has slipped through their fingers and this the idea to boycott the election so they have a reason to claim that they were not defeated.
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: RV Pundit on October 08, 2017, 09:26:12 PM
precisely. Raila is now rumoured to disappear in UK until 22nd october. They show up on 26th and they get an historic beating.
Kichwa-mmeza.
The ruling party had enough machinery to ensure the election takes place in hostile regions. The best thing that Raila could done is to use the momentum of election nullification to campaign very hard. I can tell you for free that jubilee has covered alot of ground since August 8th. Odm in Narok county and kajiado has literally crumbled and is significantly losing key supporters in their own strongholds. Jubilee has bought everybody. Destruction of property by odm goons during demostrations have not helped matters.You are high on weed to think that nasa still has a chance. Raila and his group are acutely aware that victory has slipped through their fingers and this the idea to boycott the election so they have a reason to claim that they were not defeated. 
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: RV Pundit on October 08, 2017, 09:30:50 PM
As long as the discontent is limited to few places - like Luo Nyanza - then GOK will function like it has done since 1966. That is why UhuRuto are busy working on bringing everyone on board. The few elements that want to stay militant and obstinate will remain on the periphery of kenya politics. So far if you see the demos - it seem only Kisumu and few such places are buying the bait.

Once again you guys [luo intelligensia] instead of cutting your losses and living to fight another day - you're driving yourself to the periphery - further isolating your people from Kenyan nations. Look Kalenjin lost 1963 elections as KANU won - it's leaders warmed it's way back to power. They would stay in power until 2002. Again less than 10 yrs it's leader worked it;s way back to power and now to the main stage of national politics.

You play smart politics - or you can fight and fight - waiting for perfect democracy - which will not happen.

Jubilee has parliament & senate with near super-majority - it gonna work to own the judiciary - it already own the media - and after that tell me which part of "democracy" you guys will use?

Democracy does not work that way pundit. You cannot rule people by force "peaceful" and still have a robust economy.  Democracy can only happen by consent.  Nobody is saying that Ouru will not be sworn in by force like Kibaki was but it is not going to be 2013 again. Sometimes in the future Kenya will either have a free and fair elections agreed upon by everyone or we can start talks about secession.  That kifua attitude will not work.
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: patel on October 08, 2017, 09:41:26 PM
Off course this is the kind of rubbish and dumpster punditry that they want you to believe.  This kind of nonsense does not belong here maybe at a bus stop or a bar somewhere. 
Kichwa-mmeza.
The ruling party had enough machinery to ensure the election takes place in hostile regions. The best thing that Raila could done is to use the momentum of election nullification to campaign very hard. I can tell you for free that jubilee has covered alot of ground since August 8th. Odm in Narok county and kajiado has literally crumbled and is significantly losing key supporters in their own strongholds. Jubilee has bought everybody. Destruction of property by odm goons during demostrations have not helped matters.You are high on weed to think that nasa still has a chance. Raila and his group are acutely aware that victory has slipped through their fingers and this the idea to boycott the election so they have a reason to claim that they were not defeated. 
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: Kichwa on October 08, 2017, 09:55:05 PM
Pundit, warming up to the government of the day or taking Ruto's money and becoming his lap dog or even laying low like an envelop in fear is not rocket science that requires your "wise" counsel. Yours is the continuation of a propaganda.  After you have bought, intimidated and scared everybody, there will still be enough Kenyans left who will not be bought, intimidated or deterred from liberating country.

As long as the discontent is limited to few places - like Luo Nyanza - then GOK will function like it has done since 1966. That is why UhuRuto are busy working on bringing everyone on board. The few elements that want to stay militant and obstinate will remain on the periphery of kenya politics. So far if you see the demos - it seem only Kisumu and few such places are buying the bait.

Once again you guys [luo intelligensia] instead of cutting your losses and living to fight another day - you're driving yourself to the periphery - further isolating your people from Kenyan nations. Look Kalenjin lost 1963 elections as KANU won - it's leaders warmed it's way back to power. They would stay in power until 2002. Again less than 10 yrs it's leader worked it;s way back to power and now to the main stage of national politics.

You play smart politics - or you can fight and fight - waiting for perfect democracy - which will not happen.

Jubilee has parliament & senate with near super-majority - it gonna work to own the judiciary - it already own the media - and after that tell me which part of "democracy" you guys will use?

Democracy does not work that way pundit. You cannot rule people by force "peaceful" and still have a robust economy.  Democracy can only happen by consent.  Nobody is saying that Ouru will not be sworn in by force like Kibaki was but it is not going to be 2013 again. Sometimes in the future Kenya will either have a free and fair elections agreed upon by everyone or we can start talks about secession.  That kifua attitude will not work.
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: vooke on October 08, 2017, 10:10:58 PM
Invalid Tweet ID
Babu ain't sure the exact implication of his abandonment is.

Should Aukot get his way, Babu will jet back in the next few hours
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: bryan275 on October 08, 2017, 10:22:41 PM
Kichwa-mmeza.
The ruling party had enough machinery to ensure the election takes place in hostile regions. The best thing that Raila could done is to use the momentum of election nullification to campaign very hard. I can tell you for free that jubilee has covered alot of ground since August 8th. Odm in Narok county and kajiado has literally crumbled and is significantly losing key supporters in their own strongholds. Jubilee has bought everybody. Destruction of property by odm goons during demostrations have not helped matters.You are high on weed to think that nasa still has a chance. Raila and his group are acutely aware that victory has slipped through their fingers and this the idea to boycott the election so they have a reason to claim that they were not defeated. 

I would like to believe you, but having been to mashinani and also through monitoring the overwhelming negative response to Jubilee's tweets, I tend to disagree.  And if Narok has crumbled under jubilee corruption, then it is fair to assume that Narok was not made for the fight for freedom that we face for lack of mettle.  They are flakes...and probably deserve the corruption that they will endure especially once Ruto gets his hands on the Mara.
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: Omollo on October 09, 2017, 12:07:13 AM
You are dreaming. Jubilee is setting itself for a spectacular collapse.

Last time i said too much and got in trouble. This time zip
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: Kichwa on October 09, 2017, 12:26:19 AM

Its jubilee who are not sure of what is going down.  They are all over the place trying to figure out what NASA will do next and scrambling with all kinds of solutions to a problem they have not yet figured out.  NASA has several options while Jubilee can only bank on rigged elections.  You take away the rigged or the elections from them and they do not know what to do.

Invalid Tweet ID
Babu ain't sure the exact implication of his abandonment is.

Should Aukot get his way, Babu will jet back in the next few hours
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: Ole on October 09, 2017, 06:05:28 AM
Kichwa-mmeza.
The ruling party had enough machinery to ensure the election takes place in hostile regions. The best thing that Raila could done is to use the momentum of election nullification to campaign very hard. I can tell you for free that jubilee has covered alot of ground since August 8th. Odm in Narok county and kajiado has literally crumbled and is significantly losing key supporters in their own strongholds. Jubilee has bought everybody. Destruction of property by odm goons during demostrations have not helped matters.You are high on weed to think that nasa still has a chance. Raila and his group are acutely aware that victory has slipped through their fingers and this the idea to boycott the election so they have a reason to claim that they were not defeated. 

I would like to believe you, but having been to mashinani and also through monitoring the overwhelming negative response to Jubilee's tweets, I tend to disagree.  And if Narok has crumbled under jubilee corruption, then it is fair to assume that Narok was not made for the fight for freedom that we face for lack of mettle.  They are flakes...and probably deserve the corruption that they will endure especially once Ruto gets his hands on the Mara.
BRYAN75,
Doesn't matter what ruto will or will not do. He already had a grip of the mara through the governor but you have to know that people a lot of time vote against tg heir self interest. The truth of the matterm is that all odm leaders in Narok have defected to JP. Former governor nkedienye a beloved odm member is defecting tomorrow. I have been in mashinani from the last campaigns upto now and I can tell you for free that the tide is drastically changing against nasa. Tribal and money numbers are hard to beat. Let's wait and see.
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: RV Pundit on October 09, 2017, 06:22:59 AM
Look like Raila will be no show.What a loser...denies us the chance for another dog beating
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: bryan275 on October 09, 2017, 06:44:10 AM
It's time to break away from the criminals
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: vooke on October 09, 2017, 09:02:10 AM

Its jubilee who are not sure of what is going down.  They are all over the place trying to figure out what NASA will do next and scrambling with all kinds of solutions to a problem they have not yet figured out.  NASA has several options while Jubilee can only bank on rigged elections.  You take away the rigged or the elections from them and they do not know what to do.

Invalid Tweet ID
Babu ain't sure the exact implication of his abandonment is.

Should Aukot get his way, Babu will jet back in the next few hours
With Babu out of sight, the mass action are still born

But more importantly, Chebu is in court today, and tomorrow,Tuesday is Aukot's ruling interesting times
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: vooke on October 09, 2017, 09:07:22 AM
Kichwa-mmeza.
The ruling party had enough machinery to ensure the election takes place in hostile regions. The best thing that Raila could done is to use the momentum of election nullification to campaign very hard. I can tell you for free that jubilee has covered alot of ground since August 8th. Odm in Narok county and kajiado has literally crumbled and is significantly losing key supporters in their own strongholds. Jubilee has bought everybody. Destruction of property by odm goons during demostrations have not helped matters.You are high on weed to think that nasa still has a chance. Raila and his group are acutely aware that victory has slipped through their fingers and this the idea to boycott the election so they have a reason to claim that they were not defeated. 

I would like to believe you, but having been to mashinani and also through monitoring the overwhelming negative response to Jubilee's tweets, I tend to disagree.  And if Narok has crumbled under jubilee corruption, then it is fair to assume that Narok was not made for the fight for freedom that we face for lack of mettle.  They are flakes...and probably deserve the corruption that they will endure especially once Ruto gets his hands on the Mara.
BRYAN75,
Doesn't matter what ruto will or will not do. He already had a grip of the mara through the governor but you have to know that people a lot of time vote against tg heir self interest. The truth of the matterm is that all odm leaders in Narok have defected to JP. Former governor nkedienye a beloved odm member is defecting tomorrow. I have been in mashinani from the last campaigns upto now and I can tell you for free that the tide is drastically changing against nasa. Tribal and money numbers are hard to beat. Let's wait and see.
Difference between Ole and Kadam at measuring political temperatures among their kith and kin is Ole is on the ground and Kadam is not.

If Ole says tide is shifting, then it shifted long before he said so.
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: Ole on October 09, 2017, 11:12:01 AM
vooke,
I am being very objective here. I really don't have a horse in this race even though I was initially sympathetic to Baba. People feel like baba has lost significant goodwill support by constantly complaining and castigated anyone one site. Alot of people feel like alot of their valuable time is being lost by constant grandstanding. Raila cannot consolidate his own areas and is busy losing battleground counties. He should have hit the ground running right away and blame his opponents for botched election. But I do think he does not have money to run an efficient campaign. His innitial attempt at fundraising was not properly done. I really think he would boycott then claim that he won on August 8th. Jubilee on the other hand will not take any chance this time. They will claim victory even if baba sits this one out. I know it's not pleasant for many baba avid supporters but his quest for statehouse is coming to a complete end.
Kichwa-mmeza.
The ruling party had enough machinery to ensure the election takes place in hostile regions. The best thing that Raila could done is to use the momentum of election nullification to campaign very hard. I can tell you for free that jubilee has covered alot of ground since August 8th. Odm in Narok county and kajiado has literally crumbled and is significantly losing key supporters in their own strongholds. Jubilee has bought everybody. Destruction of property by odm goons during demostrations have not helped matters.You are high on weed to think that nasa still has a chance. Raila and his group are acutely aware that victory has slipped through their fingers and this the idea to boycott the election so they have a reason to claim that they were not defeated. 

I would like to believe you, but having been to mashinani and also through monitoring the overwhelming negative response to Jubilee's tweets, I tend to disagree.  And if Narok has crumbled under jubilee corruption, then it is fair to assume that Narok was not made for the fight for freedom that we face for lack of mettle.  They are flakes...and probably deserve the corruption that they will endure especially once Ruto gets his hands on the Mara.
BRYAN75,
Doesn't matter what ruto will or will not do. He already had a grip of the mara through the governor but you have to know that people a lot of time vote against tg heir self interest. The truth of the matterm is that all odm leaders in Narok have defected to JP. Former governor nkedienye a beloved odm member is defecting tomorrow. I have been in mashinani from the last campaigns upto now and I can tell you for free that the tide is drastically changing against nasa. Tribal and money numbers are hard to beat. Let's wait and see.
Difference between Ole and Kadam at measuring political temperatures among their kith and kin is Ole is on the ground and Kadam is not.

If Ole says tide is shifting, then it shifted long before he said so.
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: RV Pundit on October 09, 2017, 11:17:28 AM
Yeap - I have spend some time in opposition zones - and the fatigues with Raila & NASA is palpable. If election are held - they were not going to turn out in real numbers. This is the very end of the road for Raila. He asked for a second bite - and the world granted him that wish - and he squandered it yet again by launching complains after complains - instead of liquidating some of his assets and campaigning like his life depended on this. People see Ruto working hard day in and day out - and they think they can just lazy walking into elections - and become PORK. Like seriously :)
vooke,
I am being very objective here. I really don't have a horse in this race even though I was initially sympathetic to Baba. People feel like baba has lost significant goodwill support by constantly complaining and castigated anyone one site. Alot of people feel like alot of their valuable time is being lost by constant grandstanding. Raila cannot consolidate his own areas and is busy losing battleground counties. He should have hit the ground running right away and blame his opponents for botched election. But I do think he does not have money to run an efficient campaign. His innitial attempt at fundraising was not properly done. I really think he would boycott then claim that he won on August 8th. Jubilee on the other hand will not take any chance this time. They will claim victory even if baba sits this one out. I know it's not pleasant for many baba avid supporters but his quest for statehouse is coming to a complete end.
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: Nefertiti on October 09, 2017, 11:23:28 AM
I was sympathetic to Baba too but believe NASA lost on the 8th. I held on and found theirs was technicality. Raila is basically being undemocratic, but you have to realize without a path to victory sitting it out is sounder strategy. He will pull a Tsivangirai and let history be the judge.

vooke,
I am being very objective here. I really don't have a horse in this race even though I was initially sympathetic to Baba. People feel like baba has lost significant goodwill support by constantly complaining and castigated anyone one site. Alot of people feel like alot of their valuable time is being lost by constant grandstanding. Raila cannot consolidate his own areas and is busy losing battleground counties. He should have hit the ground running right away and blame his opponents for botched election. But I do think he does not have money to run an efficient campaign. His innitial attempt at fundraising was not properly done. I really think he would boycott then claim that he won on August 8th. Jubilee on the other hand will not take any chance this time. They will claim victory even if baba sits this one out. I know it's not pleasant for many baba avid supporters but his quest for statehouse is coming to a complete end.
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on October 09, 2017, 01:27:58 PM
vooke,

I don’t see how Aukot’s inclusion changes anything.  Just from a cursory glance at that 2013 SCOK opinion.
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: vooke on October 09, 2017, 01:54:09 PM
vooke,

I don’t see how Aukot’s inclusion changes anything.  Just from a cursory glance at that 2013 SCOK opinion.
Babu’s realistic shot at stopping Elections was abandoning the race which would get us back to zero with nominations,which MUST be had at least 90 days to the election. But if Aukot is included, then abandoning means we still have a two-candidate race,and if Aukot abandons as well, Uhunye is declared winner of the contest.

I know the amendments attempt to deal with this 2013 advisory by declaring the remaining candidate winner in case of abandonment but I think Babu can still beat it by abandoning before the Bill is assented as I’m not sure the amendments can be applied retroactively. So amendments are not a watertight cure for the abandonment panya route
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: Kichwa on October 09, 2017, 02:15:41 PM
Robina, explain to me exactly how Raila is being undemocratic.  Do not get me started about Democracy in Kenya.  If you think looting the economy and using that money to rig elections is democracy then Raila does not need your sympathies and you can take them where they are needed.  Jubilee does not own Kenya and there is no way we are going to allow them to unilaterally dictate to us what Democracy means.  This is nothing compared to Kenyattaa and Moi Regimes which we survived. We will not allow Ruto's projected dictatorship to take root.  Nothing is off the table.

I was sympathetic to Baba too but believe NASA lost on the 8th. I held on and found theirs was technicality. Raila is basically being undemocratic, but you have to realize without a path to victory sitting it out is sounder strategy. He will pull a Tsivangirai and let history be the judge.

vooke,
I am being very objective here. I really don't have a horse in this race even though I was initially sympathetic to Baba. People feel like baba has lost significant goodwill support by constantly complaining and castigated anyone one site. Alot of people feel like alot of their valuable time is being lost by constant grandstanding. Raila cannot consolidate his own areas and is busy losing battleground counties. He should have hit the ground running right away and blame his opponents for botched election. But I do think he does not have money to run an efficient campaign. His innitial attempt at fundraising was not properly done. I really think he would boycott then claim that he won on August 8th. Jubilee on the other hand will not take any chance this time. They will claim victory even if baba sits this one out. I know it's not pleasant for many baba avid supporters but his quest for statehouse is coming to a complete end.
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on October 09, 2017, 02:56:14 PM
vooke,

I don’t see how Aukot’s inclusion changes anything.  Just from a cursory glance at that 2013 SCOK opinion.
Babu’s realistic shot at stopping Elections was abandoning the race which would get us back to zero with nominations,which MUST be had at least 90 days to the election. But if Aukot is included, then abandoning means we still have a two-candidate race,and if Aukot abandons as well, Uhunye is declared winner of the contest.

I know the amendments attempt to deal with this 2013 advisory by declaring the remaining candidate winner in case of abandonment but I think Babu can still beat it by abandoning before the Bill is assented as I’m not sure the amendments can be applied retroactively. So amendments are not a watertight cure for the abandonment panya route

But if the advisory was on a constitutional question, can they cure it with a statute?
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: RV Pundit on October 09, 2017, 03:01:13 PM
Yeap - the purpose of legislation is to fill constitutional voids & give meaning to it. These judges are cropping in the dark because there is nothing on consitution that define how re-run will be dealt. The constitution leaves the details to election laws to be enacted.

Something would only be unconstitutional if the constitution says do this. If it doesn't - and there is no legislation - then we go by judges interpretation.

But if the advisory was on a constitutional question, can they cure it with a statute?
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on October 09, 2017, 03:19:40 PM
Yeap - the purpose of legislation is to fill constitutional voids & give meaning to it. These judges are cropping in the dark because there is nothing on consitution that define how re-run will be dealt. The constitution leaves the details to election laws to be enacted.

Something would only be unconstitutional if the constitution says do this. If it doesn't - and there is no legislation - then we go by judges interpretation.

But if the advisory was on a constitutional question, can they cure it with a statute?

I think  there is enabling law and that is what you have in mind.  The laws enable what the constitution directs.  Then there is a situation where the constitution is silent.  Can enabling law be made in a such situation?  Especially one that contradicts an interpretation of that silence that has been given by the court?
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: vooke on October 09, 2017, 03:29:40 PM
vooke,

I don’t see how Aukot’s inclusion changes anything.  Just from a cursory glance at that 2013 SCOK opinion.
Babu’s realistic shot at stopping Elections was abandoning the race which would get us back to zero with nominations,which MUST be had at least 90 days to the election. But if Aukot is included, then abandoning means we still have a two-candidate race,and if Aukot abandons as well, Uhunye is declared winner of the contest.

I know the amendments attempt to deal with this 2013 advisory by declaring the remaining candidate winner in case of abandonment but I think Babu can still beat it by abandoning before the Bill is assented as I’m not sure the amendments can be applied retroactively. So amendments are not a watertight cure for the abandonment panya route

But if the advisory was on a constitutional question, can they cure it with a statute?

I addressed thst in the last paragraph and said the amendment are poor remedy for the abandonment panya route.

But Aukot went to SCOK and was referred to High Court. That’s why I’m almost sure he will be included. High Court will find no reason for excluding the negro. Why would invalidation lead to a runoff?
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: RV Pundit on October 09, 2017, 03:32:17 PM
Judges don't make law - it parliament who makes them. Only something is unconstitutional if the constitution says so are parliament forbidden from doing that. Where it is silent - then it's job of legislation to giving meaning to that silences.
I think  there is enabling law and that is what you have in mind.  The laws enable what the constitution directs.  Then there is a situation where the constitution is silent.  Can enabling law be made in a such situation?  Especially one that contradicts an interpretation of that silence that has been given by the court?
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: vooke on October 09, 2017, 03:55:01 PM
I think  there is enabling law and that is what you have in mind.  The laws enable what the constitution directs.  Then there is a situation where the constitution is silent.  Can enabling law be made in a such situation?  Especially one that contradicts an interpretation of that silence that has been given by the court?
Methinks if the interpretation is well thought out,and grounded in some constitutional principles, then the law contradicting it would obviously be declared unconstitutional.

The subject interpretation from whatever angle you look at it asinine; it punishes candidates and disenfranchises their supporters for none of their fault. You lock them out of the race following invalidation. Why?

Same case applies to vacancy in Chairperson office. While it seems like Jubilee are ‘devolving’ his powers,and this may be the intent, the court that declares this amendment unconstitutional will be put to task to guide on the constitutional way forward and you can bet they will settle on a path no materially different from Jubilee
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: patel on October 09, 2017, 06:57:14 PM
you allow Aukot to run then you are back to Fresh Election Quagmire which require nominations and all that which the chairman Chebukati decided
to ignore...then what????? the sooner we accept the country is in a constitutional crisis the better. People should be busy setting up a caretaker government.


 
vooke,

I don’t see how Aukot’s inclusion changes anything.  Just from a cursory glance at that 2013 SCOK opinion.
Babu’s realistic shot at stopping Elections was abandoning the race which would get us back to zero with nominations,which MUST be had at least 90 days to the election. But if Aukot is included, then abandoning means we still have a two-candidate race,and if Aukot abandons as well, Uhunye is declared winner of the contest.

I know the amendments attempt to deal with this 2013 advisory by declaring the remaining candidate winner in case of abandonment but I think Babu can still beat it by abandoning before the Bill is assented as I’m not sure the amendments can be applied retroactively. So amendments are not a watertight cure for the abandonment panya route
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: vooke on October 09, 2017, 07:01:28 PM
you allow Aukot to run then you are back to Fresh Election Quagmire which require nominations and all that which the chairman Chebukati decided
to ignore...then what????? the sooner we accept the country is in a constitutional crisis the better. People should be busy setting up a caretaker government.
How’s that?
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: Higgins the genius on October 10, 2017, 02:04:11 AM
Even as institutions go, how far would the SC be willing to go, or be seen to go,as an actor in a 'political contest' without the real risk of self implosion?

Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: Kichwa on October 10, 2017, 02:28:18 AM
Judges make law all the time. Its called case law.

Judges don't make law - it parliament who makes them. Only something is unconstitutional if the constitution says so are parliament forbidden from doing that. Where it is silent - then it's job of legislation to giving meaning to that silences.
I think  there is enabling law and that is what you have in mind.  The laws enable what the constitution directs.  Then there is a situation where the constitution is silent.  Can enabling law be made in a such situation?  Especially one that contradicts an interpretation of that silence that has been given by the court?
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on October 10, 2017, 05:08:48 PM
Judges make law all the time. Its called case law.

Judges don't make law - it parliament who makes them. Only something is unconstitutional if the constitution says so are parliament forbidden from doing that. Where it is silent - then it's job of legislation to giving meaning to that silences.
I think  there is enabling law and that is what you have in mind.  The laws enable what the constitution directs.  Then there is a situation where the constitution is silent.  Can enabling law be made in a such situation?  Especially one that contradicts an interpretation of that silence that has been given by the court?

Yep.  In common law systems, case law is actually one of the sources of law.  It is a common misperception though.  Even, Neil Gorsuch, the latest addition to the US supreme court behaves as if he has never heard of case law.
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: vooke on October 11, 2017, 06:03:28 AM
So now it boils down to whether paragraph 292 of Raila v IEBC (2013) Judgement was obiter dicter or ratio decidendi, and if it is binding, and whether the election regulations on withdrawal legally varied it.

What matters is, can High Court direct against that part?
If they can, and if they do, can they also direct on withdrawal?

We are going to have epic battles this and next week before some skulls are burst
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: RV Pundit on October 11, 2017, 06:19:10 AM
Our courts and tv stations will be busy with lawyers going against lawwyers.That is for sure whichever way IEBC rules today.
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: vooke on October 11, 2017, 09:46:45 AM
Mativo

It’s an obiter
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: RV Pundit on October 11, 2017, 09:51:36 AM
Interesting. I am going to switch on the TV.
Mativo

It’s an obiter
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: vooke on October 11, 2017, 09:53:35 AM
I think Baba is in trouble
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: RV Pundit on October 11, 2017, 09:55:00 AM
Yeap - which is funny - because he supported Aukot - inclusion. He declares all those who been nominated - can be included.
I think Baba is in trouble
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: vooke on October 11, 2017, 09:57:49 AM
Aukot Ndani ndaani ndaaaaani kabisa

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Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: RV Pundit on October 11, 2017, 10:00:37 AM
NASA supported Aukot. I think they should be thrilled. The law like an saw is now cutting both ways.
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: vooke on October 11, 2017, 10:01:09 AM
Yeap - which is funny - because he supported Aukot - inclusion. He declares all those who been nominated - can be included.
I think Baba is in trouble

The gamble won’t pay off.
If one paragraph of the obiter is not binding,so does the other.

I think withdrawal regulations are solid

Trust NASWA to rush to court of appeal :lolz: :lolz: :lolz:
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: RV Pundit on October 11, 2017, 10:02:21 AM
Appeal what - Raila SUPPORTED AUKOT inclusion and termed the orbiter dicta wrong. Yesterday he went and fished the same obiter dicta - and tried to use to get more time - to figure out a nusu mkate panya route.
The gamble won’t pay off.
If one paragraph of the obiter is not binding,so does the other.

I think withdrawal regulations are solid

Trust NASWA to rush to court of appeal :lolz: :lolz: :lolz:
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: vooke on October 11, 2017, 10:07:58 AM
Appeal what - Raila SUPPORTED AUKOT inclusion and termed the orbiter dicta wrong. Yesterday he went and fished the same obiter dicta - and tried to use to get more time - to figure out a nusu mkate panya route.
The gamble won’t pay off.
If one paragraph of the obiter is not binding,so does the other.

I think withdrawal regulations are solid

Trust NASWA to rush to court of appeal :lolz: :lolz: :lolz:

They will appeal Mativo’s finding that the Obiter is no binding and whether it was really an obiter or ratio. I damn well know they are highly unlikely to miss
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: vooke on October 11, 2017, 10:09:32 AM
Mativo


Corrigendum pap!
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: RV Pundit on October 11, 2017, 10:10:27 AM
Of course. You're not good with sarcasm. They will be busy in all courts looking for panya route because mashinani voters are tired with their nonsense.

Mativo - concludes that even if obiter dicta is taken at it highest - Aukot was enjoined to the petition, supported the petition and explained the circumstance for conceding defeat first before later realizing it was not free and fair - so there is no justification for denying him the right to contest.

Raila may have to ask the turkana boy to appeal his own judgement or also withdraw :)

They will appeal Mativo’s finding that the Obiter is no binding and whether it was really an obiter or ratio. I damn well know they are highly unlikely to miss
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: vooke on October 11, 2017, 10:41:47 AM
How so?
By his petition.

There really is no any sane logic behind denying candidates a shot at ‘fresh elections’ just because they never filed a petition or they conceded.

So the High Court is likely to direct IEBC to include Aukot which makes three candidates. With that, it don’t matter if the Amendments sail through or are thrown out by the courts, Baba’s magical card of ‘abandoning’ will be no more so we will have elections on 26th contrary to NASWA (Magaya (http://www.nipate.org/index.php?topic=5908.0)) fantasies.



PS
Can’t wait for ‘Aukot is a Jubilidiot mole’ conspiracy theories

Haya

Bring on the theories
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: bryan275 on October 11, 2017, 10:44:05 AM
The plot thickens.  I foresee Aokot abandoning this JEBC charade.  Says he has a set of concerns that he will be pursuing.

Uhuru Kenyata needs to pack his sh*t and leave our statehouse.

Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: RV Pundit on October 11, 2017, 10:46:37 AM
That will saves us some money. In any case an election btw Uhuru and Aukot is monumental waste of money and time. Uhuru should be declare PORK today. The obiter dicta relied on by Raila is as useful as an used toilet paper.
The plot thickens.  I foresee Aokot abandoning this JEBC charade.  Says he has a set of concerns that he will be pursuing.

Uhuru Kenyata needs to pack his sh*t and leave our statehouse.


Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: vooke on October 12, 2017, 03:51:39 PM
The judgement
[pdf]http://kenyalaw.org/caselaw/cases/export/141808/pdf[/pdf]
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: vooke on October 15, 2017, 07:36:14 AM

PS
Can’t wait for ‘Aukot is a Jubilidiot mole’ conspiracy theories

Right on cue

There are articles about Aukot :lolz:
MONSTER EKURU AUKOT..!

During preparations for August 8th polls,at least a good number of Kenyans especially opposition brigade developed interest in Thirdway Alliance Presidential Candidate Ekuru Aukot over his consistency in raising alarms and unearthing irregularities that were converging,breeding and bulging out to favour election rigging.Personally i deed.He had same ideologies,to battle Election fraud,better leadership and most obviously get Jubilee administration out of throne.

Within the shortest time in history he has been on the lime light,perhaps he has been the second most candidate to hold Press briefings but with public interest until when he last held one to confirm his participation in a predetermined Election outcome like a Cinderella because of 'David-Goliath' fallacy.All along he has pretended to be walking along with fighters battling IEBC-Jubilee electoral fraud scheme until he won his first case in High Court to be included in Ballot.From his new version of narrative,

1.he doesn't mind Raila Odinga's withdrawal from Oct 26th race which is right and just as they are all in competition,

2.he should be the only candidate to be included and gazetted after High Court ruling.Other 5 candidates should not be included,to mean only Raila Odinga+Uhuru Kenyatta+Him should be in the ballot even after IEBC resolved to include other candidates for fairness and equality.How selfish!

3.elections must be held on Oct 26th as scheduled with or without reforms in the Electoral body IEBC because 'an individual should not determine destiny of Kenya'.Here is where he surpassed the threshold,camouflaged to his true colours of biasness.

°We are electing individuals,he is an individual eying to be given a chance to improve Social,Economic and Political life of Kenyans as a President if all goes well.

°It's potential individuals who we collectively believe can lead us to the promised land of Wine and Honey.

°It's them,the individuals who we rise up early to vote for through the ballot.

If he could be playing some chess,the better.

By:

JohnBosco Juma--Concerned Kenyan Citizen
Title: Re: Aukot rescues Kenia from a certain ‘Constitutional Crisis’
Post by: bryan275 on October 15, 2017, 02:31:59 PM
The plot thickens.  I foresee Aokot abandoning this JEBC charade.  Says he has a set of concerns that he will be pursuing.

Uhuru Kenyata needs to pack his sh*t and leave our statehouse.



Damn, chap pulled some serious gymnastics..