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Kenya Bends Ready For Chinese Tarimbo
« on: February 05, 2015, 05:16:05 AM »
Or maybe it is just a spring-roll ....

Wang Yi, the Chinese "Foreign Minister" must have done some very tough talking when he was in Nairobi.   

Watch this:

http://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Transfer-of-Prisoners-Bill-Parliament-Aden-Duale/-/1064/2613534/-/13hc0wlz/-/index.html

And watch the Kenyans get screwed again, but willingly.
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Re: Kenya Bends Ready For Chinese Tarimbo
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2015, 12:25:41 PM »
Kweli we are been done a "bendover".

The headline is misleading. Only mentions Kenyans in foreign jails but the main topic here is foreigners in Kenyan jails to be tried in their own countries. Those Chinese "spies" will soon be on KQ headed for Beijing to their freedom.

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Re: Kenya Bends Ready For Chinese Tarimbo
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2015, 01:28:08 PM »
Wait until they disappear into the mass of 1.6bn people and then send Nation Newspapers to follow their cases in Sichuan. We are already being done because Chinese companies have unfettered access to Kenyan airwaves but Kenyan media may not even have a correspondent in China. Chinese copied the designs of JSF 35 and have made a copy, forcing the yankees back to the drawing board to make adjustments. Just think, they control the Kenyan internet (through  Huawei) so this completes the control. The reason they could bring down internet in Kenya. So much for the clueless Digital Njuekalis!

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Re: Kenya Bends Ready For Chinese Tarimbo
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2015, 01:43:55 PM »
For a country that keeps lending us trillions kshs...it's not a bad idea to be owned.

Chinese influence in kenya and Africa has been IMMENSELY positive.

In 10yrs..chinese have done what britons and other europeans have been unable to do in centuries.

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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2015, 04:15:42 PM »
For a country that keeps lending us trillions kshs...it's not a bad idea to be owned.

Chinese influence in kenya and Africa has been IMMENSELY positive.

In 10yrs..chinese have done what britons and other europeans have been unable to do in centuries.

Should the west do the same because its our major export destination,eurobond owner and source of our tourism and remittances?kumbaff,

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Re: Kenya Bends Ready For Chinese Tarimbo
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2015, 04:28:48 PM »
In 10yrs..chinese have done what britons and other europeans have been unable to do in centuries.

Interesting. But let us try and do an objective comparison. Let us start with Kenya.  What are the great things the Chinese have done there?
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Re: Kenya Bends Ready For Chinese Tarimbo
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2015, 04:37:04 PM »
Or maybe it is just a spring-roll ....

Wang Yi, the Chinese "Foreign Minister" must have done some very tough talking when he was in Nairobi.   

Watch this:

http://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Transfer-of-Prisoners-Bill-Parliament-Aden-Duale/-/1064/2613534/-/13hc0wlz/-/index.html

And watch the Kenyans get screwed again, but willingly.

That's amusing.  Because Kithure Kindiki already confirmed to the Brits that Kenyan prisons are a cruel and unusual punishment.  Why is Duale proposing an inhumane law?  I take it Kindiki is strongly opposed right off the bat.
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Re: Kenya Bends Ready For Chinese Tarimbo
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2015, 06:20:55 PM »
In the last 10yrs china has grown to become one of biggest lenders, our biggest trade partner and our biggest donor (if you consider they huge % of their loans are grants). Their contractors have been turning over projects on time and budget both for private and gov sector. If we spend the next 10yrs working closely with China...we will do far more.
Interesting. But let us try and do an objective comparison. Let us start with Kenya.  What are the great things the Chinese have done there?

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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2015, 06:50:03 PM »
In the last 10yrs china has grown to become one of biggest lenders, our biggest trade partner and our biggest donor (if you consider they huge % of their loans are grants). Their contractors have been turning over projects on time and budget both for private and gov sector. If we spend the next 10yrs working closely with China...we will do far more.

One of biggest lenders.   So?   If that is great, how much has Kenyan borrowed from elsewhere over the 50 years?

Wow.      Let's take a look at the figures.   "Biggest trade partner" because we import a lot of cheap junk?   The trade imbalance is huge.   Kenya exports very little to China; in fact it exports more to places like Afghanistan and Pakistan!

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biggest donor (if you consider they huge % of their loans are grants).

Total nonsense.   Where did you get your figures?   Let's see them here.

So they are building things on time?   There you were stating that they have done more than the West has done in hundreds of years.   Take a look at Kenyan infrastructure (roads and railways), hospitals, schools ... where did most of that come from to start with?
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Re: Kenya Bends Ready For Chinese Tarimbo
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2015, 07:44:38 PM »
When you borrow, you are a slave. Anything the master says goes...

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Re: Kenya Bends Ready For Chinese Tarimbo
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2015, 07:56:31 PM »
When you borrow, you are a slave. Anything the master says goes...

They are giving us loans (SGR)to import products (Rails) from their industries,we make profits for their banks and jobs for their industries,

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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2015, 09:02:00 PM »
Thats what Greeks did. Now they are struggling to repay billions. We need industries to build the materials used for these projects. When china provides everythign - including laborers, their intersts are beyond reproach.

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« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2015, 07:48:17 AM »
Don't conflate our failures with China.  Africa need Loans. Africa need Aid. Africa need Trade. China has for last 10 yrs provided that.

There is no doubt that China has just lent us 1 trillion shs in the last few yrs. Why hasn't the US done the same..when their economy is bigger than China. If we misuse the loan..or engage in corruption..that is our problem..but China has given us their money in really favourable terms. When rest of world think Africa or Kenya is a basket case...China has trusted us with their money.

On Aid..China loans are 60% grant. That is free money. China is also one of biggest donors now to multilateral agencies including UN.

Trade...nobody has stop kenya from exporting...China is Africa biggest importer..importing Oil/Copper/Gold/ name it. Kenya just has to figure out how to balance their trade. In any case many folks are now able to import cheap and quality machinery and equipment from china..something that was impossible when Europe or America was the world factory.

Bottomline..Do not expect chinese to wipe your bottom when you can't even find it.

In my view there is very little to talk about when it come to western partners...you just need to check the data for the last 15yrs when Africa has engaged with Chinese...and for the first time...the narrative is of "Africa Rising"...all indicators are up....africa economies are growing..thanks to Chinese paying a premium for our raw materials and lending us massive amount of monies...to lay infrastructure.

In the last 10yrs china has grown to become one of biggest lenders, our biggest trade partner and our biggest donor (if you consider they huge % of their loans are grants). Their contractors have been turning over projects on time and budget both for private and gov sector. If we spend the next 10yrs working closely with China...we will do far more.

One of biggest lenders.   So?   If that is great, how much has Kenyan borrowed from elsewhere over the 50 years?

Wow.      Let's take a look at the figures.   "Biggest trade partner" because we import a lot of cheap junk?   The trade imbalance is huge.   Kenya exports very little to China; in fact it exports more to places like Afghanistan and Pakistan!

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biggest donor (if you consider they huge % of their loans are grants).

Total nonsense.   Where did you get your figures?   Let's see them here.

So they are building things on time?   There you were stating that they have done more than the West has done in hundreds of years.   Take a look at Kenyan infrastructure (roads and railways), hospitals, schools ... where did most of that come from to start with?

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Re: Kenya Bends Ready For Chinese Tarimbo
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2015, 07:56:29 AM »
You do not suppose there is a steel industry that can supply SGR with steel rails on time and cost hidden somewhere in Kenya. China will buy our sand, timber, cement but will import stuff they cannot source locally.

I like how China has found a formulae to work with our incredibly corrupt countries. The western nations with similar distrust for our gov has chosen to give money to NGOS..majority of which are worse than our gov. The Chinese have chosen to deal  with Chinese contractors...who seem to deliver on time and cost.

They are giving us loans (SGR)to import products (Rails) from their industries,we make profits for their banks and jobs for their industries,

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Re: Kenya Bends Ready For Chinese Tarimbo
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2015, 02:32:24 PM »
You do not suppose there is a steel industry that can supply SGR with steel rails

We should have built that steel industry to supply those rails across east Africa before we built that rail...that's what Chinese and Americans did before they built their rails,ama you think it dropped like manna from heaven?

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« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2015, 02:34:33 PM »
Don't conflate our failures with China.  Africa need Loans. Africa need Aid. Africa need Trade. China has for last 10 yrs provided that.

There is no doubt that China has just lent us 1 trillion shs in the last few yrs. Why hasn't the US done the same..when their economy is bigger than China. If we misuse the loan..or engage in corruption..that is our problem..but China has given us their money in really favourable terms. When rest of world think Africa or Kenya is a basket case...China has trusted us with their money.

On Aid..China loans are 60% grant. That is free money. China is also one of biggest donors now to multilateral agencies including UN.

Trade...nobody has stop kenya from exporting...China is Africa biggest importer..importing Oil/Copper/Gold/ name it. Kenya just has to figure out how to balance their trade. In any case many folks are now able to import cheap and quality machinery and equipment from china..something that was impossible when Europe or America was the world factory.

Bottomline..Do not expect chinese to wipe your bottom when you can't even find it.

In my view there is very little to talk about when it come to western partners...you just need to check the data for the last 15yrs when Africa has engaged with Chinese...and for the first time...the narrative is of "Africa Rising"...all indicators are up....africa economies are growing..thanks to Chinese paying a premium for our raw materials and lending us massive amount of monies...to lay infrastructure.

In the last 10yrs china has grown to become one of biggest lenders, our biggest trade partner and our biggest donor (if you consider they huge % of their loans are grants). Their contractors have been turning over projects on time and budget both for private and gov sector. If we spend the next 10yrs working closely with China...we will do far more.

One of biggest lenders.   So?   If that is great, how much has Kenyan borrowed from elsewhere over the 50 years?

Wow.      Let's take a look at the figures.   "Biggest trade partner" because we import a lot of cheap junk?   The trade imbalance is huge.   Kenya exports very little to China; in fact it exports more to places like Afghanistan and Pakistan!

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biggest donor (if you consider they huge % of their loans are grants).

Total nonsense.   Where did you get your figures?   Let's see them here.

So they are building things on time?   There you were stating that they have done more than the West has done in hundreds of years.   Take a look at Kenyan infrastructure (roads and railways), hospitals, schools ... where did most of that come from to start with?

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Re: Kenya Bends Ready For Chinese Tarimbo
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2015, 02:47:27 PM »
Don't conflate our failures with China.  Africa need Loans. Africa need Aid. Africa need Trade. China has for last 10 yrs provided that.

There is no doubt that China has just lent us 1 trillion shs in the last few yrs. Why hasn't the US done the same..when their economy is bigger than China. If we misuse the loan..or engage in corruption..that is our problem..but China has given us their money in really favourable terms. When rest of world think Africa or Kenya is a basket case...China has trusted us with their money.

On Aid..China loans are 60% grant. That is free money. China is also one of biggest donors now to multilateral agencies including UN.

Trade...nobody has stop kenya from exporting...China is Africa biggest importer..importing Oil/Copper/Gold/ name it. Kenya just has to figure out how to balance their trade. In any case many folks are now able to import cheap and quality machinery and equipment from china..something that was impossible when Europe or America was the world factory.

Bottomline..Do not expect chinese to wipe your bottom when you can't even find it.

In my view there is very little to talk about when it come to western partners...you just need to check the data for the last 15yrs when Africa has engaged with Chinese...and for the first time...the narrative is of "Africa Rising"...all indicators are up....africa economies are growing..thanks to Chinese paying a premium for our raw materials and lending us massive amount of monies...to lay infrastructure.

(1) Interms of loans interest rates in Japan,Europe and N America are very low,that's why our $2BN EB was oversubscribed 8X by the west so if there is any feasible project,capital is available and Chinese are investing in Africa to earn better interest and gain more money through corrupt deals,

(2) Interms of trade,we are getting 100BN remittances from the west,majority tourist and export market from the west,what are we getting from China interms of trade,fx and tourists,

(3) Grants,USA grants not loans to Kenya is over 80BN annually,that's just one western country,what about total of the rest vs China?infact Aid to trade is for a nation to invest where it gains profit through facilitation so its not free lunch,

(4) How many free trade or preferential bilateral agreements do we have with China to make our exports competitive?Infact if am exporting to USA or Norway there are few currency controls what about China?

Lastly,China just like many Asian countries started growing in late 1970s when it shifted from collective to private ownership that attracted trade and FDI from the west which has led to massive economic growth globally due to free trade and private ownership of proper,so shouting Africa has grown due to China is idiotic,even before China rise,africa was still growing,

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Re: Kenya Bends Ready For Chinese Tarimbo
« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2015, 07:13:39 PM »
There is no doubt that China has just lent us 1 trillion shs in the last few yrs. Why hasn't the US done the same..when their economy is bigger than China.

I can see that you really want to believe that China is Africa's Great Saviour.  But that does have to stop you from doing some basic homework, which could tell you that:

(1)  Kenya is now in the Top 10 of recipients of aid from the USA government and has been for some time.  The figures typically range from $550 million per year to $750 million per year.   All of it grants.   Grants, not loans. So you might want to add up all the grants that Kenya has received from the USA in the last few years and then talk about Sh.1 trillion loans.

-- I will not mention money (grants!) Kenya receives from American NGOs (the large foundations and so on) because there China does not even begin to enter the picture.   Nor is it necessary to get into all the other sources of "official" US money into Kenya.

(2)  Do you know where plans for Kenya's food security are being made right now?   You might want to look at Obama's Feed The Future program.

(3) Did you know that the biggest change to how Kenya manages its national budget was spearheaded by the US government:

`". '

(4) Did you know that the USA has even tried to help Kenya improve its joke of a parliament by running a Parliamentary Strengthening Program for Kenya? 

I could go on and on ...

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China has trusted us with their money

Wrong thinking.   You have apparently chosen to overlook the little fact that Kenya was forced to take out rather costly insurance on those loans.     That insurance, which means they get paid no matter what, is what the Chinese trust.

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On Aid..China loans are 60% grant. That is free money. China is also one of biggest donors now to multilateral agencies including UN.

I won't get into the logic of how a loan is also a grant ... Let's avoid generalities.   Since this is a Kenyan forum, let's start with the specific case of Kenya.   You are delighted that China has lent Kenya "1 trillion shillings" or whatever.    Now go take a look at how much China has given Kenya in grants!  Yes, please, having told us about the trillion shillings of loans, we now wait to hear about the grants.    How many shillings there? Weka namba hapa hapa

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Trade...nobody has stop kenya from exporting...China is Africa biggest importer..importing Oil/Copper/Gold/ name it. Kenya just has to figure out how to balance their trade.

My point is that it is absurd for people to get excited about China being a huge trading partner for Kenya when almost all that trade is in China's favour.

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Bottomline..Do not expect chinese to wipe your bottom when you can't even find it.

Exactly.   That's why I don't understand all the excitement about China.   

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China is also one of biggest donors now to multilateral agencies including UN

I don't know why this is supposed to be significant, but I will note that the following countries all contribute more to the UN than does China:   France, German, Japan, USA.   Japan contributes twice as much and the USA contributes 4 times as much as China doesThe USA alone funds almost one-quarter of the UN budgets. 

IMF:    The countries that contribute more than China are Japan, UK, USA, France, Germany.   The USA contributes 4.5 times as much as China.

World Bank: Japan and the USA contribute more than China.   The USA contributes about 3 times what China does.

Let us also briefly consider other things that really matter:

Do you know how many people, especially in poor countries and especially in Africa, die or are affected annually by TB, malaria and HIV/AIDS?  Malaria alone kills at least 0.5 million per year.   Most of those (about 90%) are in Africa and most are children under 5.

So who contributes to  the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria?   

It is the usual suspects, led, as usual, by the USA.    Compare some contributions to the fund for the years 2012-2015:

USA - $1.4 billion per year
Bill Gates - $200 million per year
China - $5 million per year

Another one that is interesting is "global emergency humanitarian assistance" given.   Looking at the figures for 2012-2013, and they are typical:

USA- $4.5 billion
China - $4 million

Yes, billions vs. millions.   But that's not even the half of it.   China actually gets more such money than it gives!!!   For example, the year in question it got $13 million in such assistance.

I could go on and on with all sorts of figures all over the place.   Instead, I will just go off and chuckle quietly about Africans who are sure the Chinese will save them after the Nasty West "has done nothing for centuries" --- and the view based on just seeing a lot of little men running around tarmacking roads ...



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In my view there is very little to talk about when it come to western partners...you just need to check the data for the last 15yrs when Africa has engaged with Chinese...and for the first time...the narrative is of "Africa Rising"...all indicators are up....africa economies are growing..thanks to Chinese paying a premium for our raw materials and lending us massive amount of monies...to lay infrastructure.

I have checked the data, and I urge you to do the same and to get off two myths: (a) that the Chinese are paying a premium for our raw materials; (b) "Africa Rising" and  that the "rising" is due to China.
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Re: Kenya Bends Ready For Chinese Tarimbo
« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2015, 07:18:20 AM »
Moonki,

Without using a lot of words i know a lot about the so called US AID including global fund and i can tell the impact if not negative is really marginal compared to what chinese have done...in investing in tangible infrastructure projects. It no wonder when kenyans were asked who'd they trust more btw China and other countries...last i checked China has eclipsed the US.

What China has done in the last 10 yrs in Africa is phenomenal.

You have to blind and deaf to even argue about it.

All growth happening in Africa is thanks mostly to CHINA.

China has found a way to work with Africa gov..you friends at USAID and in western europe continue to FLUSH money down the toilets of NGOs...China global role in IMF/UN/WB and such bodies is constrained by US and the likes insistence of some 1940s formulae or shareholding..

China has done things you can touch if you're blind and deaf. US have done things you have to read on some papers but nothing on the ground. Zero Impact.



There is no doubt that China has just lent us 1 trillion shs in the last few yrs. Why hasn't the US done the same..when their economy is bigger than China.

I can see that you really want to believe that China is Africa's Great Saviour.  But that does have to stop you from doing some basic homework, which could tell you that:

(1)  Kenya is now in the Top 10 of recipients of aid from the USA government and has been for some time.  The figures typically range from $550 million per year to $750 million per year.   All of it grants.   Grants, not loans. So you might want to add up all the grants that Kenya has received from the USA in the last few years and then talk about Sh.1 trillion loans.

-- I will not mention money (grants!) Kenya receives from American NGOs (the large foundations and so on) because there China does not even begin to enter the picture.   Nor is it necessary to get into all the other sources of "official" US money into Kenya.

(2)  Do you know where plans for Kenya's food security are being made right now?   You might want to look at Obama's Feed The Future program.

(3) Did you know that the biggest change to how Kenya manages its national budget was spearheaded by the US government:

`". '

(4) Did you know that the USA has even tried to help Kenya improve its joke of a parliament by running a Parliamentary Strengthening Program for Kenya? 

I could go on and on ...

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China has trusted us with their money

Wrong thinking.   You have apparently chosen to overlook the little fact that Kenya was forced to take out rather costly insurance on those loans.     That insurance, which means they get paid no matter what, is what the Chinese trust.

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On Aid..China loans are 60% grant. That is free money. China is also one of biggest donors now to multilateral agencies including UN.

I won't get into the logic of how a loan is also a grant ... Let's avoid generalities.   Since this is a Kenyan forum, let's start with the specific case of Kenya.   You are delighted that China has lent Kenya "1 trillion shillings" or whatever.    Now go take a look at how much China has given Kenya in grants!  Yes, please, having told us about the trillion shillings of loans, we now wait to hear about the grants.    How many shillings there? Weka namba hapa hapa

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Trade...nobody has stop kenya from exporting...China is Africa biggest importer..importing Oil/Copper/Gold/ name it. Kenya just has to figure out how to balance their trade.

My point is that it is absurd for people to get excited about China being a huge trading partner for Kenya when almost all that trade is in China's favour.

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Bottomline..Do not expect chinese to wipe your bottom when you can't even find it.

Exactly.   That's why I don't understand all the excitement about China.   

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China is also one of biggest donors now to multilateral agencies including UN

I don't know why this is supposed to be significant, but I will note that the following countries all contribute more to the UN than does China:   France, German, Japan, USA.   Japan contributes twice as much and the USA contributes 4 times as much as China doesThe USA alone funds almost one-quarter of the UN budgets. 

IMF:    The countries that contribute more than China are Japan, UK, USA, France, Germany.   The USA contributes 4.5 times as much as China.

World Bank: Japan and the USA contribute more than China.   The USA contributes about 3 times what China does.

Let us also briefly consider other things that really matter:

Do you know how many people, especially in poor countries and especially in Africa, die or are affected annually by TB, malaria and HIV/AIDS?  Malaria alone kills at least 0.5 million per year.   Most of those (about 90%) are in Africa and most are children under 5.

So who contributes to  the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria?   

It is the usual suspects, led, as usual, by the USA.    Compare some contributions to the fund for the years 2012-2015:

USA - $1.4 billion per year
Bill Gates - $200 million per year
China - $5 million per year

Another one that is interesting is "global emergency humanitarian assistance" given.   Looking at the figures for 2012-2013, and they are typical:

USA- $4.5 billion
China - $4 million

Yes, billions vs. millions.   But that's not even the half of it.   China actually gets more such money than it gives!!!   For example, the year in question it got $13 million in such assistance.

I could go on and on with all sorts of figures all over the place.   Instead, I will just go off and chuckle quietly about Africans who are sure the Chinese will save them after the Nasty West "has done nothing for centuries" --- and the view based on just seeing a lot of little men running around tarmacking roads ...



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In my view there is very little to talk about when it come to western partners...you just need to check the data for the last 15yrs when Africa has engaged with Chinese...and for the first time...the narrative is of "Africa Rising"...all indicators are up....africa economies are growing..thanks to Chinese paying a premium for our raw materials and lending us massive amount of monies...to lay infrastructure.

I have checked the data, and I urge you to do the same and to get off two myths: (a) that the Chinese are paying a premium for our raw materials; (b) "Africa Rising" and  that the "rising" is due to China.

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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2015, 08:10:45 AM »
Pundit:

That's just more vague hand-waving because that is what you want to believe.   China has done these great things!  And whatever the USA and anyone else has done is just stuff down the toilet!  Di di di da da blah!  Surely, you can do a bit better. 

Let's do concrete.    And instead of lumping Africa together, as if Angola's billions somehow help, Chad or whatever, let's do one country at a time.   

On a Kenyan forum, I propose that we start with Kenya.   Here's a repeat from above:

You are delighted that China has lent Kenya "1 trillion shillings" or whatever.    Now go take a look at how much China has given Kenya in grants!  Yes, please, having told us about the trillion shillings of loans, we now wait to hear about the grants.    How many shillings there? Weka namba hapa hapa.

Tell us exactly what great things China is doing for Kenya, and in concrete terms, and lets us compare.  Then we can do Uganda, Chad, Botswana, etc.  One country at a time.   

But please, concrete objective numbers, not ati these people were surveyed and so on. 

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China global role in IMF/UN/WB and such bodies is constrained by US and the likes insistence of some 1940s formulae or shareholding..

Total nonsense.  Mara China is a great contributor, then its "constrained".   Let's take them one at a time.  Explain to me why almost 25% of the UN's budget is covered by the USA and exactly what "constrains" China from paying more. 

I take it you aren't aware of China's tricks to avoid paying its share (relative to the its GDP).   China has had a nice counter to any efforts to get it to pay more: it claimed that it had too many poor people itself!    I won't do all of your homework for you, but this should give you a good start:

"A population of 150 million in China lives under the UN-set poverty line. Chinese representatives to the UN appealed that the country's capacity to pay should be evaluated in an objective and reasonable way and should not be separated from the nation's conditions and the overall international economic environment."

http://www.ciis.org.cn/english/2013-01/16/content_5674643.htm

I refer you to that start because that's their own propaganda right there.  Same con they run all over the place while some Africans are wetting themselves over the Great Chinese that's supposedly going to save them.
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