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Kenya Discussion / Re: Ida Odinga Vs Oburu Odinga?What is the end game?
« Last post by RV Pundit on January 14, 2026, 06:34:13 AM »
First Ruto has almost all arsenals - you'd wish to have.
Raila/Uhuru dont know how use money - Ruto beat them to it - buying more leaders and people with money.
Now this useless opposition are looking up for kenyattas to provide funding.
And Kenyattas without Raila knows it hopeless mission

The last person to close opposition room will be Kalonzo and he will switch off the light.

2027 is over. Smart people are preparing for 2032 minus Ruto.



There is no scenario where Ruto makes it back .Raila/Uhuru had more money than Ruto and had Government machinery too but lost to Ruto simply because its not money nor government machinery which wins elections but voters . This time around they have decided Ruto to go out .

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Kenya Discussion / Re: Ida Odinga Vs Oburu Odinga?What is the end game?
« Last post by RV Pundit on January 14, 2026, 06:31:14 AM »
Poleni but Ruto ni moto. Next 3 months - ODM get swallowed. Ruto will control Kamatusa, Somali+Borans, Coast, Luos, Luhyas, half Gusii, Iteso and all small tribes.
Kindiki will be doing damage in Mt Kenya East.
When I sum up all this - Ruto is already at 65% of the vote.
Kikuyus at 20% plus Kambas 10% plus other people who dont like Ruto = 35%.
Now I dont think Ruto will want to lose all Kikuyus and kambas.
So bado iko kazi hapo - Ruto will aim to get 20-30% of that pie - 10%.
Generally Ruto will pursue Uhuru's Jubilee and even Kalonzo.

In short prepare for 70% winning margin by Ruto in 2022 against helpless Gathietha.

Stupid moves will be checkmated.Nobody has monopoly of the state.
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Kenya Discussion / Re: Ida Odinga Vs Oburu Odinga?What is the end game?
« Last post by Nowayhaha on January 14, 2026, 05:37:30 AM »

There is no scenario where Ruto makes it back .Raila/Uhuru had more money than Ruto and had Government machinery too but lost to Ruto simply because its not money nor government machinery which wins elections but voters . This time around they have decided Ruto to go out .

There is NO scenario where Ruto loses post Raila. HAKUNA. Ruto has TRILLIONS, he is crazy campaigner, he has gov machinery, he just cannot lose.
A Ruto loss leaves RiggyG in a very good position.
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Kenya Discussion / Re: Ida Odinga Vs Oburu Odinga?What is the end game?
« Last post by Nowayhaha on January 14, 2026, 05:34:44 AM »
GEMA voted for Ruto simply because he had supported them in 2013 and 2017 .
Uhuru betrayed GEMA by handshaking Raila and GEMA refused to follow him.
Similarly Ruto miscalculated by impeaching Gachagua and Broadbaising Raila and GEMA will punish Ruto .
Secondly Majority of ODM dislike Ruto . Ruto has fought Raila for 15 years this has an effect . Even if Ruto was to buy ODM he will only get a quarter of ODM electorate .
To be honest Ruto lost from the first day he was sworn in to be President then Genz revolution killed his legitimacy .


Njamba use to teach us about how kikuyu think.
Kikuyu basically think they own kenya -
they are very angry that they have failed to nail Nairobi governorship - because they see themselves as owning most of Nairobi - historically sharing it with Maa.
Their support for Sakaja was never genuine.
They dont care about Merus or Kindiki or Embus.
Even Kiambu and Nyeri kikuyu have serious entitlement issues.
2022 - Uhuru fixed them. They never liked Ruto or Raila but when it came down - Ruto was better idea - as it came with added advantage of diaspora peace
They know Ruto ni moto moto now.
With those factoid - you can easily tell how they will play with.

The way I see Kikuyu will do PROPER REAL MATHS.
They will know Ruto is gone gone with ODM/Raila.

They will try to ensare silly Kalonzo but if it doesnt work - they will aim for 2032 - by putting a candidate out to become 2nd to Ruto

Well Githunguri was with me backing Raila. They fought with Nowayhaha.
Now Nowayhaha thinks Ruto will be 3rd.

You seem convinced Kikuyu will follow Kindiki - so as to succeed Ruto.
But they are with RiggyG who is backing Kalonzo. Should vs will.

That Kikuyu logic can you apply to Babu Owino - he is polling top in Luo - and you want him to be Sakaja deputy.
He must be working hard for that supergig - deliver Luo get govenor.

Take themselves out another 10-20yrs.
I dont see it happening.
Listen more to Githunguri - he has better political lense than you.
You operate like a baby in kenya politics
That Kikuyu selfishness or turnout theory collapsed in 2022.
They turned up to crown Ruto and Sakaja.
No reason they won't do it for Kalonzo and Babu Owino.
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These money belongs to all Kenyans, it’s taxpayers money. People should be angry about this regardless of tribe. I have been talking about this issue for years and I am not a kikuyu supremacist, it’s very upsetting to see Somalis walking for miles for water, a simple drilling and water harvesting issue while their leaders buy stuff in Nairobi and Dubai. If every MP would make an effort like Ndidi, Kenya would be far. Somalis even prominent ones like grand mullah support Gachagua on this issue.
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Kenya Discussion / Re: Ida Odinga Vs Oburu Odinga?What is the end game?
« Last post by Githunguri on January 14, 2026, 12:46:52 AM »
Well its a nice plan :) if I was a Kikuyu like you. I'd push it. Shida tu Ruto is political giant.

In any case - if Rigathi become 2nds - it put him in good stead in 2032 against Kindikis


In a Run-off between Gachagua and Ruto,

Gachagua wins,He will have money,mouth and ability to consolidate goons and element within the security apparatus.

Stupid moves will be checkmated.Nobody has monopoly of the state.
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Agreed.Most kenyans including somali are now supporting him.If he can stick to such issue based politics and stop mt kenya talk,He gains alot of national support.

But you were attacking his "big mouth" 2 days ago. :)

We need other tribes to oust Ruto.

careful careful.

Of course yes.He changed his statement from not just kikuyu but North Eastern.

Its very mindful how you make statements as a leader.

You are a watermelon.

RiggyG has his act together.

Can you please check his first statement?

He polished the statement later.He is a good politician but he needs to think before he talks.

RiggyG plays hard tackles. Without him Kikuyus would be groveling in State House. Now it seems Ruto still has to spoil them - like its 2022.

You can't judge a poltician speech by speech. He key job is one - take Gema from Ruto.

we need other tribes to oust ruto.

No just votes but even goverment officials,thugs,demons,goons across the country.

Do you get it?

RiggyG is doing the job well.

He added Kamba to Gema to checkmate Kindiki & Ruto.

Now they will coopt Babu and Luo - while you have been vehemently opposing such move.

Kalonzo needs to be so polite and amiable - to run for PORK - Riggy is heavy punches.

We will not endorse Babu.Please stop arguing with me.

We give  Luhya Sifuna the senator,Kikuyu and kamba gov and his deputy and kisii county assembly speaker.
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Kenya Discussion / Re: Ida Odinga Vs Oburu Odinga?What is the end game?
« Last post by RV Pundit on January 13, 2026, 11:21:17 PM »
Riggy or someone from Kikuyu will run.
Ngojea Limuru conference.

But am saying exactly what you are saying: Kikuyu are backing Kalonzo.

You are saying Kikuyu will dump Riggy cause he is ineligible and toxic.
But his argument is his ineligibility is political not legal. This sells.
So they back Kalonzo, then Riggy gets his shot in 2032.
If Ruto wins, he will permanently destroy Riggy.

Secondly, where is the credible Riggy challenger?

Now why sacrifice Gakuya for Babu Owino? Simple: to beat Ruto. Not for nothing.
You are saying Riggy does not have the power over Kikuyu to make this move. I think he does.

Njamba use to teach us about how kikuyu think.
Kikuyu basically think they own kenya -
they are very angry that they have failed to nail Nairobi governorship - because they see themselves as owning most of Nairobi - historically sharing it with Maa.
Their support for Sakaja was never genuine.
They dont care about Merus or Kindiki or Embus.
Even Kiambu and Nyeri kikuyu have serious entitlement issues.
2022 - Uhuru fixed them. They never liked Ruto or Raila but when it came down - Ruto was better idea - as it came with added advantage of diaspora peace
They know Ruto ni moto moto now.
With those factoid - you can easily tell how they will play with.

The way I see Kikuyu will do PROPER REAL MATHS.
They will know Ruto is gone gone with ODM/Raila.

They will try to ensare silly Kalonzo but if it doesnt work - they will aim for 2032 - by putting a candidate out to become 2nd to Ruto

Well Githunguri was with me backing Raila. They fought with Nowayhaha.
Now Nowayhaha thinks Ruto will be 3rd.

You seem convinced Kikuyu will follow Kindiki - so as to succeed Ruto.
But they are with RiggyG who is backing Kalonzo. Should vs will.

That Kikuyu logic can you apply to Babu Owino - he is polling top in Luo - and you want him to be Sakaja deputy.
He must be working hard for that supergig - deliver Luo get govenor.
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Kenya Discussion / Re: Ida Odinga Vs Oburu Odinga?What is the end game?
« Last post by Modesty Blaise on January 13, 2026, 10:51:28 PM »
But am saying exactly what you are saying: Kikuyu are backing Kalonzo.

You are saying Kikuyu will dump Riggy cause he is ineligible and toxic.
But his argument is his ineligibility is political not legal. This sells.
So they back Kalonzo, then Riggy gets his shot in 2032.
If Ruto wins, he will permanently destroy Riggy.

Secondly, where is the credible Riggy challenger?

Now why sacrifice Gakuya for Babu Owino? Simple: to beat Ruto. Not for nothing.
You are saying Riggy does not have the power over Kikuyu to make this move. I think he does.

Njamba use to teach us about how kikuyu think.
Kikuyu basically think they own kenya -
they are very angry that they have failed to nail Nairobi governorship - because they see themselves as owning most of Nairobi - historically sharing it with Maa.
Their support for Sakaja was never genuine.
They dont care about Merus or Kindiki or Embus.
Even Kiambu and Nyeri kikuyu have serious entitlement issues.
2022 - Uhuru fixed them. They never liked Ruto or Raila but when it came down - Ruto was better idea - as it came with added advantage of diaspora peace
They know Ruto ni moto moto now.
With those factoid - you can easily tell how they will play with.

The way I see Kikuyu will do PROPER REAL MATHS.
They will know Ruto is gone gone with ODM/Raila.

They will try to ensare silly Kalonzo but if it doesnt work - they will aim for 2032 - by putting a candidate out to become 2nd to Ruto

Well Githunguri was with me backing Raila. They fought with Nowayhaha.
Now Nowayhaha thinks Ruto will be 3rd.

You seem convinced Kikuyu will follow Kindiki - so as to succeed Ruto.
But they are with RiggyG who is backing Kalonzo. Should vs will.

That Kikuyu logic can you apply to Babu Owino - he is polling top in Luo - and you want him to be Sakaja deputy.
He must be working hard for that supergig - deliver Luo get govenor.
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Kenya Discussion / Re: Ida Odinga Vs Oburu Odinga?What is the end game?
« Last post by Modesty Blaise on January 13, 2026, 10:50:28 PM »
Well it's not yet end of history as you predicted. 8)

We are here debating it. Instead of shutting down the site.

There is NO scenario where Ruto loses post Raila. HAKUNA. Ruto has TRILLIONS, he is crazy campaigner, he has gov machinery, he just cannot lose.
A Ruto loss leaves RiggyG in a very good position.
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